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HKana17
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Clock constraints for divided clocks

Hi,

I am wondering about clock constraints for divided-generated clocks.

I made a slow-clock generation block which has counters for divide.

It has 3 counters. cnt1 divides 10 MHz clock counting 15700 to make PLS1r57ms clock. cnt2 divides PLS1r57ms clock counting 5 to make PLS7r85ms clock. And cnt3 divides PLS7r85ms clock counting 12 to make PLS94r2ms clock.

Then I wrote the clock constraints like below.

create_clock -period 20.833 [get_ports {FPGA_CLK1}]
create_clock -period 68.817 [get_ports {FPGA_CLK2}]
derive_pll_clocks
derive_clock_uncertainty
create_generated_clock -name PLS1r57ms -source [get_pins {PLL_inst|altpll_component|auto_generated|pll1|clk[0]}] -divide_by 15700 -duty_cycle 0.478 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}]
create_generated_clock -name PLS7r85ms -source [get_nets {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]}] -divide_by 5 -duty_cycle 0.2 [get_nets {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]}]
create_generated_clock -name PLS94r2ms -source [get_nets {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]}] -divide_by 12 -duty_cycle 0.33 [get_nets {SLOWCLK_1|cnt3|count[3]}]

The compiler said constraints for PLS7r85ms and PLS94r2ms were illegal. It also said they were base clocks. Why are they Base clocks?

I think PLS7r85ms and PLS94r2ms clocks are "generated clocks". What is wrong with this?

Thanks in advance.

My environment

Quartus Prime Lite Edition: 18.1.0 Build 625 09/12/2018 SJ Lite Edition

Windows7 professional sp1

Target device: MAX 10

Timing

13 Replies

  • sstrell's avatar
    sstrell
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    2 years ago

    First, why don't you just use the PLL to generate all these clocks? Are you using the other clock outputs or have no PLL available for doing this?

    Also, don't use get_nets. You should be using get_pins to target physical points in the netlist. Did you use the Name Finder to make sure you have the correct target names? I'm guessing the names shown in this report showing as unconstrained should be the names you should be using in your constraints, but you must use the Name Finder to verify.

    In the report, those two clock inputs are showing as unconstrained base clocks because your clock constraints are incorrect. The unconstrained paths report indicates that it thinks these are base clocks that need clock constraints.

    • HKana17's avatar
      HKana17
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      2 years ago

      Thanks for your reply.

      Then I pointed the source and the target with pin in my sdc file. But I got the same result as before.

      create_clock -period 20.833 [get_ports {FPGA_CLK1}]
      create_clock -period 68.817 [get_ports {FPGA_CLK2}]
      derive_pll_clocks
      derive_clock_uncertainty
      #create_generated_clock -name PLS1r57ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[0]|clk}] -divide_by 15700 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}]
      create_generated_clock -name PLS1r57ms -source [get_pins {PLL_inst|altpll_component|auto_generated|pll1|clk[0]}] -divide_by 15700 -duty_cycle 0.478 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}]

      create_generated_clock -name PLS7r85ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}] -divide_by 5 -duty_cycle 0.2 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]|q}]
      #create_generated_clock -name PLS7r85ms -source [get_nets {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]}] -divide_by 5 -duty_cycle 0.2 [get_nets {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]}]

      create_generated_clock -name PLS94r2ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]|q}] -divide_by 12 -duty_cycle 0.33 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt3|count[3]|q}]
      #create_generated_clock -name PLS94r2ms -source [get_nets {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]}] -divide_by 12 -duty_cycle 0.33 [get_nets {SLOWCLK_1|cnt3|count[3]}]

      I always use the name finder to point sources and targets. Without it it is quite tough to know correct pin or net names.

      • _AK6DN_'s avatar
        _AK6DN_
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        2 years ago

        Why are you using BOTH derive_pll_clocks and create_generated_clocks ?

        Either let Quartus do it (first option) or you do it manually (second option).

        For example, I have a design with a couple of clocks generated based on a 50MHz clock input to the PLL.

        The PLL generates one clock CPUCLK at 80MHz, and a second clock based on logic divide of the PLL output RTCCLK at 25KHz.

        # Master 50MHz clock input
create_clock -period 20.0 -name CLOCK_50 [get_ports {CLOCK_50}]

# Created clocks based on PLLs (CPUCLK = 80MHz)
create_generated_clock -source {pll|altpll_component|pll|inclk[0]} -divide_by 5 -multiply_by 8 -duty_cycle 50 -name CPUCLK {pll|altpll_component|pll|clk[0]}

# Created clocks based on logic (RTCCLK = 25KHz)
create_generated_clock -source {pll|altpll_component|pll|clk[0]} -divide_by 5000 -duty_cycle 50 -name RTCCLK {dk8ea_clock:rtc|rtcclk}
  • sstrell's avatar
    sstrell
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    2 years ago

    Can you generate reports in the timing analyzer to understand why the last 2 SDC constraints are getting rejected? Try the ignored constraints report.

    Try setting the source for each of those as the input pin to cnt2 and cnt3 instead of the output pin of the previous block.

  • HKana17's avatar
    HKana17
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    2 years ago

    Thank you for your reply.

    The PLS7r85ms and PLS94r2ms constraints don't seem to be ignored. Timing analysis only says they are illegal.

    'set_false_path' is another thing here.

    Later I will try your recommendation that setting the source for each of those as the input pin to cnt2 and cnt3 instead of the output pin of the previous block.


    It is the policy in this project not to use a pll block to generate low-speed clocks. The target device here is MAX 10 10M08, so it has just 2 pll blocks. I already use some pll clock outputs for fast clocks. The rest are spared for future expansion.

    Regards,

    • HKana17's avatar
      HKana17
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      2 years ago

      I tried your suggestion to set the source for each of those as the input pin to cnt2 and cnt3 instead of the output pin of the previous block. But I got the same result.

      #create_generated_clock -name PLS1r57ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[0]|clk}] -divide_by 15700 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}]
      create_generated_clock -name PLS1r57ms -source [get_pins {PLL_inst|altpll_component|auto_generated|pll1|clk[0]}] -divide_by 15700 -duty_cycle 0.478 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}]

      #create_generated_clock -name PLS7r85ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}] -divide_by 5 -duty_cycle 0.2 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]|q}]
      create_generated_clock -name PLS7r85ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[0]|clk}] -divide_by 5 -duty_cycle 0.2 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]|q}]

      #create_generated_clock -name PLS94r2ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]|q}] -divide_by 12 -duty_cycle 0.33 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt3|count[3]|q}]
      create_generated_clock -name PLS94r2ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt3|count[0]|clk}] -divide_by 12 -duty_cycle 0.33 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt3|count[3]|q}]

      Regards,

      • sstrell's avatar
        sstrell
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        2 years ago

        Looking again, duty_cycle should be a percentage. Try 20 and 33 instead of .2 and .33.

    • HKana17's avatar
      HKana17
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      2 years ago

      Dear Richard,

      Thank you for the information.

      I check the materials first.

      Thank you.

    • HKana17's avatar
      HKana17
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      2 years ago

      Thank you for letting me know the case that was 13 years ago. I didn't imagine the cause was too low clock frequency to be analyzed.

      This time I took the telling a lie to Timing Analyzer method. I reduced the division rate of PLS1r57ms clock to 15. Warnings or errors on SLOWCLKs went away. Thank you again.

      create_generated_clock -name PLS1r57ms -source [get_pins {PLL_inst|altpll_component|auto_generated|pll1|clk[0]}] -divide_by 15 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}]

      create_generated_clock -name PLS7r85ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt1|count[13]|q}] -divide_by 5 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]|q}]

      create_generated_clock -name PLS94r2ms -source [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt2|count[2]|q}] -divide_by 12 [get_pins {SLOWCLK_1|cnt3|count[3]|q}]

  • RichardT_altera's avatar
    RichardT_altera
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    2 years ago

    Thank you for acknowledging the solution provided. I'm pleased to know that your question has been addressed.


    Now, I will transition this thread to community support. If you have any further questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to reach out.

    Thank you and have a great day!


    Best Regards,

    Richard Tan