Hi everyone, Hope all well and I appreciate if you take a look at this and see if you can help us. We are using Cyclone V GT Dev board to test DDR3 HMC controller. We used 32 bit SGDMA to write into DDR3 and used NIOS II to read back from every available address to confirm the data. it is working fine with no issues. NIOS II code running on on-chip memory. Then we removed on-chip memory and tried running simple hello world. I should also confirm that SGDMAs removed from design to simplify the design. however, when we are trying to start the NIOS, the error message pops out saying “Connected system ID hash not found on target at expected base address.” I know when this happens , there might be something wrong with system. However, we are yet unable to find the issue. I should say that HMC core passes the calibration margins. Please see attached. DDR3 using single 32 bit bidirectional port avl_0 and both NIOS data master and instruction master connected to it. exception and reset vectors correctly set and NIOS alongside other peripherals running at 50MHz. any help appreciated. I should also mention that, when we change the ip core to soft memory controller system works fine. Looking forward to your valuable comments. Some pictures below Regards, Aidin.

Hi,Unfortunately, This Nios® II processor instruction master cannot address more than a 256 MByte span of memory; consequently, providing more than 256 MBytes to run Nios® II software wastes memory resources and causes system ID not found on target at expected base address. I hope this answers your doubts.Thank you.Best,Kelly

Hi,Thank you for posting in Intel community forum and hope all is well.Mind if I ask did you managed to programmed the correct sof successfully? Which quartus version are you using?Would suggest on the following, check on the system.h files in BPS project to ensure system ID peripheral are listed with correct value, followed by regenerating the BSP to see if that helps.As running the program in hardware, try to refresh the connection under 'Target Connections' tab.You may also try checking 'Ignore mismatched system ID & timestamp' fields and run to the program to see if that helps.Hope to hear form you soon.Best WishesKelly

Hi Kelly, Thanks for your reply. yes, I can confirm that we programmed correct .SOF. I am using Q22.1 10/25/2022 Lite edition Reference system.h , I can also confirm that all values correctly set. refresh connection also done but no luck. when we are checking 'Ignore mismatched system ID & timestamp' fields, it shows a classic error "Downloading ELF Process failed". please see below system ID properties. interestingly, connected system ID and timestamp not found. I don't understand why connecting Nios II instruction master to HMC, can cause this issue. I will keep trying different combinations to see if any lucks but any advice greatly appreciated. Regards, Aidin. Regards, Aidin.

Hi,You could check out this link that might be related and helps clarify your doubts: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/programmable/articles/000075320.htmlHope to hear on your feedback.Thank you.Regards,Kelly

Hi Kelly, Thanks for your message. I am afraid that didn't work either. do you have more information on how to close DDR3 timing ? do you think this could be the cause of problem? on timing analysis , I can see some warning indicating the timing closure was not achieved. if you need, I can share more info. This issue is very critical for us and fixing this will save us significant time/cost in project. Thanks for your help again. Regards, Aidin.

Interfacing Nios II and HMC on Cyclone vGT

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KellyJialin_Goh
Frequent Contributor
2 years ago
Hi,
Any updates from you end whether the feedback provided is useful?

Thank you.
Regards,
Kelly
KellyJialin_Goh
Frequent Contributor
2 years ago
Hi,
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Regards,
Kelly Jialin, GOH
Aidin-P2D
Occasional Contributor
2 years ago
Hi Kelly,
Thanks for your follow up and apology for delay from my side. I was out of office. we are confused and surprised with the response you provided about no support on Cyclone V GT series. CV comes with two Hard Memory Controller Support (That is what data sheet says) and we even have design examples from Altera which contains HMC IP core. even Quartus doesn't complain when we instantiate the IP core and the core works fine stand alone when it is not interfaced with NIOS II.
my question is why Intel provides device with HMC design examples with HMC IP core and you are saying that is not supported? we are very confused.
Regards,
Aidin.
KellyJialin_Goh
Frequent Contributor
2 years ago
Hi Aidin,

Sorry for misunderstanding your question. Got abit caught up with our discussion but as I read through your latest comment that might be the root cause of the issue: "Nios is not functioning when connecting Nios instruction master to HMC" and "Array of 400MB defined and filled with data and verified"

Unfortunately, This Nios® II processor instruction master cannot address more than a 256 MByte span of memory; consequently, providing more than 256 MBytes to run Nios® II software wastes memory resources and causes system ID not found on target at expected base address.

I hope this answers your doubts and sorry for the confusion caused.

Thank you.

Regards,
Kelly
Aidin-P2D
Occasional Contributor
2 years ago
Hi Kelly,
Thanks for information. Last week when I tried compiling the system and it wasn't working, I used Q13.1 will previous version of NIOS and it was giving me a warning that Nios instruction master can only support up to 28 bit which is exactly what you are confirming. However, now we are using Nios Gen2 and from data sheet , it must support 32 bit instruction set? am I missing a point? please see attached from Nios II Processor reference guide version 2020.10.22
based on this statement it should support 32 bit instruction set. we connected the same memory bank using soft-core and Nios II was working fine . only HMC is giving us this issue.
Regards,
Aidin.
KellyJialin_Goh
Frequent Contributor
2 years ago
Hi,
You may check out the latest update on the NIOS II processer not able to address memory larger than 256Mb as you stated 400Mb data is verified : https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/programmable/683689/current/understand-the-instruction-master-address.html

Do check out on the reference guide of External Memory Interface Volume3 (Chapter 3 on the functional description of HMC) for key points that you may have missed: https://www.intel.com/programmable/technical-pdfs/683841.pdf

Thanks.

Best,
Kelly
Aidin-P2D
Occasional Contributor
2 years ago
Thanks Kelly.
will reduce HMC memory size and give it a try. I will keep you posted.
Regards,
Aidin.
- KellyJialin_Goh
  Frequent Contributor
  2 years ago
  Hi,
  Seems like the issue lies in the memory larger than 256Mb and causes the DDR3 unable to pass through HMC but able to go through Soft Memory Controller.
  
  I will attach the screenshot on the CV GT user guide on the DDR HMC information for your reference: https://www.intel.com/content/dam/altera-www/global/en_US/pdfs/literature/manual/rm_cvgt_fpga_dev_board.pdf
  
  Thank you.
  
  Regards,
  Kelly
  - Aidin-P2D
    Occasional Contributor
    2 years ago
    Thanks Kelly,
    something is not adding up here . data sheet says 256MB however, Nios and Platform designer see the memory size of 512MB? could this be a problem? see below from platform designer?
    Thanks
    Aidin.
KellyJialin_Goh
Frequent Contributor
2 years ago
Hi Aidin,
Sure no problem. At the mean time I will dig around and let you know as soon as I have any findings.

Thank you.

Best,
Kelly
Aidin-P2D
Occasional Contributor
2 years ago
Excellent.
Thanks Kelly
Regards,
Aidin.
- KellyJialin_Goh
  Frequent Contributor
  2 years ago
  Hi,
  I think I may have found the root cause to why it passes the Soft memory controller and not HMC:
  Thanks.
  Regards,
  Kelly
  - Aidin-P2D
    Occasional Contributor
    2 years ago
    Hi Kelly,
    can you please elaborate your note? what do you mean?
    Regards,
    Aidin.
Aidin-P2D
Occasional Contributor
2 years ago
Hi Kelly,
Thanks for your email. we have always used DDR3A for our application. These are the cases we have tried
1. 40 bit HMC implemented on DDR3A with 32 bit bidi Port and Nios II was unbale to boot up (DDR3A was functional - confirmed by SGDMA data pattern) frequency range from 302 MHZ to 400 MHZ tried
2. 32 bit HMC implemented on DDR3A with 32 bit bidi port and Nios II was unbale to boot up(DDR3A was functional - confirmed by SGDMA data pattern) frequency range from 302 MHZ to 400 MHZ tried
3. Soft memory controller implemented on DDR3A (40 bit) with 302 MHz and Nios II was working fine (256MB DDR3A)
4. Soft memory controller implemented on DDR3A (32 bit) with 302 MHz and Nios II was working fine (256MB DDR3A)
5. Reduced the accisable memory size to 32 MB using HMC and Nios was not working. Soft Controller with same memory size is functional.
During our tests , we have always used DDR3A and never tried DDR3B. I can see regarding instruction master to be 28 bit wide so why it works with soft memory controller but not HMC?
Regards,
Aidin.