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timing impact
I performed compilation on two separate servers(A and B)using identical RTL source code and identical project configurations; however, the resulting timing violations differ between the two builds, with one server A has less timing violations. Does a server with more CPU cores, higher clock speed and bigger RAM help improve project timing results?
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agilex7 signoff
timing is cleaning that reported by the timing analyzer based on the final netlist, but the Fmax can't reach the expected frequency in the fast-forward report. do I need to fix according to suggestion in the fast-forward report?
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QuartusPro25.3 STA Error
I use QuartusPro25.3 , Device is AGILEX 7 , I found it often report error when in the "retiming " stage， Sometime I just modify my design to add some debug signal ， and it report error ，error massage is as below ， Is any one can help , thanks
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retiming issue
we develop a project with agilex7 fpga and using quartus pro 25.3 version. now we fix timing by analyze the retiming report. we see the following retiming restriction: But the register GEN_REG_INUT.R_DATA[0][0] is directly driven by quartus hyper register, and it has no power up value and no sync reset. the retiming critical path as follow: -------------------------------------------+ ; Critical Chain Details ; +--------------------------+-------------------------+-------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ; Path Info ; Register ; Register ID ; Element ; +--------------------------+-------------------------+-------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ; Power-up Restriction ; ALM Register ; #1 ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0] ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]|q ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~LAB_RE_X221_Y195_N0_I99 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~R1_X221_Y195_N0_I10 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~C4_X220_Y191_N0_I11 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~LOCAL_INTERCONNECT_X220_Y191_N0_I26 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~BLOCK_INPUT_MUX_PASSTHROUGH_X220_Y191_N0_I35 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~LAB_RE_X220_Y191_N0_I39 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn|dataf ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn|combout ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~cw_la_lab/lab_lut6outt[4] ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_LAB_RE_X220_Y191_N0_I138 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C1_X220_Y190_N0_I17 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R1_X220_Y190_N0_I16 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R12_X208_Y190_N0_I2 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R12_X196_Y190_N0_I2 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X195_Y182_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X195_Y174_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R12_X184_Y174_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R12_X172_Y174_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R12_X160_Y174_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R12_X148_Y174_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R12_X136_Y174_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X135_Y166_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X135_Y158_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X135_Y150_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X135_Y142_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X135_Y134_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R12_X124_Y134_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X123_Y126_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C8_X123_Y118_N0_I0 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R0_X123_Y118_N0_I2 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R2_X124_Y118_N0_I15 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_R1_X126_Y118_N0_I31 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C1_X126_Y118_N0_I30 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_C1_X126_Y119_N0_I30 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_LOCAL_INTERCONNECT_X126_Y120_N0_I61 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_BLOCK_INPUT_MUX_PASSTHROUGH_X126_Y120_N0_I80 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg_rst_f|GEN_REG_INPUT.R_data[0][0]~xsyn~_LAB_RE_X126_Y120_N0_I82 ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; Bypassed Hyper-Register ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg|x_pe_pkg_pkt_pack|pack_data_padding_cross~xtophalf/xale2/xcw_ml_le_regctrl/xcw_la_le_regctrl_reg/sclr_out ; ; Long Path (Critical) ; ; ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg|x_pe_pkg_pkt_pack|x_pack_data_shifter|bcnt[4]|sclr ; Long Path (Critical) ; ALM Register ; #2 ; x_blk_pe|x_pe|x_pe_top_no_hmc|x_pe_pkg|x_pe_pkg_pkt_pack|x_pack_data_shifter|bcnt[4] ; why quartus report the retiming restriction?
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fanout issue
now I develop a project with agilext7 FPGA, the sysclk is 416MHz. the project has still WNS=-500ps TNS=-5000ns violation. from the fitter duplication summary report below, we can see that the most of number of duplicates is 4, how can we improve the number of duplicates to further to reduce fanout and congestion? quartus provides the GLOBAL_SIGNAL_PROMOTION_FANOUT_THRESHOLD setting, which the default is 50. In my project many signal fanout exceed 50, but I doesn't think the signals are being routed global network. so for non-global high fanout signals, what should I do？manually duplicating many high-fanout nets in the RTL is not practical.
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Hi, good day
Hi, good day
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ram retiming
In my project with agilex7, I have added the following the setting: set_global_assignment -name ALLOW_RAM_RETIMING ON so I think quartus tool should execute the ram retiming But the fit.retimg.rpt still report the following retiming restriction: ; Retiming Restrictions at Register #1: ; x_blk_fb|x_tdb|x_tdb_rctrl|x_tdb_rctrl_mporead|x_tdb_rctrl_mporead_pld|x_mpo_pld_fifo|x_scfifo|auto_generated|dpfifo|FIFOram|altera_syncram_impl1|ram_block2a1025 ; ; Node is in a RAM or DSP block that cannot be retimed. ; ; Manually adjust your RTL design to add additional registers or re-position registers along the path to balance slack ; so how to fix the ram retiming restriction?
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timing violation fix
hi, I am working on the project that base on agilex 7 fpga. project background: the compile setting is superior performance, sys clock is 416Mhz the ALM resources of the project has occupied the 70%, and has WNS -0.9 ns, TNS -29ooo ns violation. do you have better metholodgies for timing fix？ now my work flow: first analyze the fit.retiming.rpt and fit.fastforward.rpt, add pipe or register according to critical chain reported in the retiming.rpt, then start to next compile I doesn't analyze the fit.timing.rpt, because the endpoint is too large, and the work efficiency is low
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timing signoff
What are the criteria for timing closure in Quartus? Is timing closure required pass all corners as the following figure? If my FPGA products only work in a server room environment, the fpga image timing need meet all corner?
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CYCLONE IVE ODDR delay mismatch
Hello Altera Experts! I am using Quartus Standard 24.1.. I'm building a 10-bit parallel output interface to drive a DAC. I'm using the oddr (ALTDDIO_OUT) registers so that all bits output simultaneously. 9 of the 10 bits are aligned, while one has an additional delay of about 2 nsec. I created two 10-bit buses (to drive two DACs), and the strange thing is that bit (3) is always delayed on both buses. I'm attaching the project, hoping some experts can help me. The ddr registers are correctly instantiated, but in the timing analysis, the bit(3) coming out of the fpga is delayed compared to all the others: TIMING ON BUS_A: TIMING ON BUS_B: REGULAR DELAY: BIG DELAY: The only difference I see is that the "slow" pins are both also Vrefs (pin 105 and pin 80): Could this be the reason? regards, LUCA.
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