Hardware Synology Board with 5M80ZE64C5N PL-USB Blaster RCN Rev CSoftware Win 10 Programmer Standalone Quartus Prime 17.1.1-593 ( all Versions above have a Bug with File save after eamine )Device selected 5M80ZE64selectable Boxes ( dark grey ) : Blank check - examine - erasenot selectable Boxes ( light grey ) : Programm - verify - security Bit - ISP Clamp( exactly same on Brand new chip )Examine successful 100%File saved USM and CFM appearVerify USM passVerify CFM FailMessage : 209048 verfy failure on devive number 1209012 Operation failedwhat am i doing wrong ?

Hi there,In order to solve your problem, I need to clarify a few points:1. What is the probability that this problem occurs?2. Is the board started normally? (whether the logic code is started)Best regards,WZ

"1. What is the probability that this problem occurs?"at 100 % at every try "2. Is the board started normally? (whether the logic code is started)"Its confirmed on several normal working Boards

It maybe a known bug in Intel® Quartus® Prime Standard Edition software version 20.1 and earlier, however this bug will not caused 100% failed. Anyway, I still suggest to upgrade your quartus and verify again.Best regards,WZ

Hallo,i had the actual Version 22 but i had to Downgrade to 17.1 because from 18.1 and up there is a other known bug ( examined Files not possible to save )seehttps://community.intel.com/t5/Intel-Quartus-Prime-Software/saving-the-examined-data-of-Max-V-failed-in-the-Intel-Quartus/m-p/1513583/emcs_t/S2h8ZW1haWx8dG9waWNfc3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ufExMOEM0NFYxWjA0OFpTfDE1MTM1ODN8U1VCU0NSSVBUSU9OU3xoSw#M79668and https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/programmable/articles/000094118.html

Sorry for the late reply due to the holiday. This problem is indeed more troublesome. Do you want to verify the consistency of the content in the flash and the content in the cram when you do verify? What is the reason for doing the examine?Knowing your purpose, I might be able to give better advice~Best regards,WZ

Max V 5M80ZE64C5N examine / Verify Failure

38 Replies

WZ2
Frequent Contributor
3 years ago
Hi there,
Connecting Nconfig low means pulling the nconfig pin to GND before powering on, so that after powering on, the chip will not load any content in the flash including the ICB setting. We cannot provide a relevant loading file because we do not know the board-level structure. If the manufacturer does not provide an image but provides a schematic, you can compile a very simple project based on the schematic diagram and on-board resources and generate an image.
Best regards,
WZ
WZ2
Frequent Contributor
3 years ago
Hi there,
I tried to replicate the manufacturer's behavior, and they enabled the security bit during programming. This is why all the examined POF files turned out to be all 00 (which I found puzzling before). Due to this operation by them, you cannot directly obtain the POF files, so you still need to request the POF file from the manufacturer.
Best regards,
WZ
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  3 years ago
  Quartus should show that the security bit has been set ? why doesn't Quartus do that ? A Bug ?
  If quartus does not show this how can a user detect it ?
  How did you find out now ?
WZ2
Frequent Contributor
3 years ago
This is not a bug, but a method that Quartus provides developers to protect their images.
WZ2
Frequent Contributor
3 years ago
After setting it, the image cannot be readback by examine.
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  3 years ago
  i know that this function is to protect the image
  But
  @WZ2 wrote:
  After setting it, the image cannot be readback by examine.
  in my File not Gray out and it is selectable !
WZ2
Frequent Contributor
3 years ago
Just as I said before, after setting this, POF files examined out to be all 00.
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  3 years ago
  in your sample Picture the Examine and Security Bit is Gray out
  But in my Pictures / and if i connect to the Chip not gray out .....
  thats what i do not understand
  if on my Chips the Security was set -> why it isn't grayed out like in your Pictures ?
  The check boxes of the programmed chip are displayed exactly the same as an empty new chip.
  - WZ2
    Frequent Contributor
    3 years ago
    Sorry for the misunderstanding, because I didn't select any device or file, I just showed where the security bit is set.
TN-Notebooks
Occasional Contributor
3 years ago
I assumed that if the security bit is set, the check box should be grayed out, which it is neither with the programmed nor with a new chip.
This makes me think - something is wrong here.
with this board everything is unusual.
I have to try this again, but I need some file that I can load to test how it looks with and without security bit.
I have no idea of the programming or creation of a simple file.
I just wanted to clone a chip and have only read and learned so far.
Can you help me with a very simple test file in which maybe just something is in it without switching an output - the board can die - my risk -
it's only about testing the basic function
1 Write a file
2 File Examine
3 File verification
and repeat everything again under security bit set.
I would like to test so whether this works on this board with a clean file
WZ2
Frequent Contributor
3 years ago
Hi there,
Sorry for the late reply, last days are public holidays.
Here is the file, you can try:
Emptry.zip1 KB
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  3 years ago
  Sorry for Late Reply ... had a high work load.
  I searched for your Information regarding the nconfig Pin
  For me it seem that the Altera MAX V 5M80ZE64 have no "nconfig Pin"
  Its not listed in the Pinout Table of the 5M80ZE64 like at other Altheras.
  Your Empty File i will try near by Time now.
  Thomas
  5M80ZE64C5N Pinout.pdf102 KB
TN-Notebooks
Occasional Contributor
3 years ago
Hallo
some interesting news
to check the behavior i bought a brand new DK-DEV-5M570ZN Development Kit
connection all fine.
Erase performed success
Blank Check success
now examine the erased blank Chip - save the File and now verify of the examined erased/blank chip
........ Failed
So this is not a Hardware or Security Bit Problem -- a Bug in Quartus ?
Info(292034): Thank you for installing the Quartus Prime software - the #1 in performance and productivity. To upgrade to a full featured edition, please https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/programmable.html.
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:03:37 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209044): Erasing MAXII/MAXV configuration device(s)
Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:03:40 2023
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:03:53 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209019): Blank-checking device(s)
Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:03:55 2023
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:04:11 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209038): Examining devices
Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:04:13 2023
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:04:50 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209021): Performing verification on device(s)
Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:04:51 2023
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:05:00 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209021): Performing verification on device(s)
Error(209048): Verify failure on device number 1
Error(209012): Operation failed
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:05:01 2023
TN-Notebooks
Occasional Contributor
3 years ago
Hallo WZ2,
already any Ideas ?
Did you see my last Post dated ‎11-02-2023 04:06 PM ?
Thomas
- WZ2
  Frequent Contributor
  3 years ago
  Hi Thomas,
  Long time no see. I was also buried under the heavy workload.
  If you recall our initial conversation back in August, my initial suspicion was towards a bug in Quartus. However, it wasn't until you give me the read-back flash file for me, and the content turned out to be all zeros (00). This is uncommon, leading me to believe that the manufacturer has implemented encryption.
  The current situation you're facing is highly likely to be coupled with the initially suspected Quartus bug. You may consider upgrading Quartus and performing encryption settings to check if the situation aligns with our expectations.
  Best regards,
  WZ
  - TN-Notebooks
    Occasional Contributor
    3 years ago
    Hello WZ
    reading out my boards makes no sense as long as Quartus has a bug.
    
    Let's stick to the development board first.
    DK-DEV-5M570ZN development kit.
    
    With this board it must work first (and here it is certain that there are no hardware influences)
    The last thing I posted is from the dev board which is deleted and the empty board was read out and compared.
    At least here Quartus should not show any errors.
    UFM worked again but CFM is fail ... with an empty CFM . Something is wrong with Quartus here
    It would be easiest if you also had a DK-DEV-5M570ZN development kit.
    I use the stand-alone software Intel® Quartus® Prime Pro Edition Programmer and Tools Version 23.2.0 which apparently does not need a license
    of the Quartus® Prime Lite Edition is still version 22.1.2 here there is still no update.
    I just found that Intel® Quartus® Prime Pro Edition Programmer and Tools version 23.3.0 is available and installed it.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I have now repeated the test on the DK-DEV-5M570ZN development kit with the versions :
    
    Quartus® Prime Standard Edition Programmer and Tools 22.1std.2.922 ( same in Lite Version )
    Still not usable because of save file bug ( not possible to save examine files )
    Quartus® Prime Pro Edition Programmer and Tools Version 23.3.0.104
    same behavior as version 23.2.0
    Verify of CFM failed as all the Time
    So for me it seems to be a BUG in Quartus
    an update to a STD version is not worthwhile for my applications because the LITE version would be sufficient if it were error-free, but Intel would be happy to provide me with a license free of charge for further testing due to all these errors.
WZ2
Frequent Contributor
3 years ago
Sorry for the late replay due to the bad cold.
Never mind, could u upload the file your examined and let's compare the difference.
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  3 years ago
  Please read my messages from ‎11-02-2023 04:06 PM and later
  there is no file to send. examine / verify Fault of Quartus software with empty Chip
  i used a DK-DEV-5M570ZN development kit
  ‎11-02-2023 04:06 PM
  
  to check the behavior i bought a brand new DK-DEV-5M570ZN Development Kit
  connection all fine.
  Erase performed success
  Blank Check success
  now examine the erased blank Chip - save the File and now verify of the examined erased/blank chip
  ........ Failed
  please read the full description of 11-02-2023 04:06 PM
  - TN-Notebooks
    Occasional Contributor
    2 years ago
    Hallo WZ2
    any news on the case ?
    Thomas