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qwitza
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3 years ago

Calculate skew timing with Cyclone V and ksz9031

hello,

i have troubles with the ethernet bandwith and retransmissions (ack). after some diagnostic i think it is an timing issue.

the wire length from the fpga -> knz9031 is:

mil mm m delay delay
RX_DV 1692,83 42,997882 4,30E-02 227,5E-12 228ps
RX_CLK 1649,35 41,89349 4,19E-02 221,7E-12 222ps
RXD0 1684,72 42,791888 4,28E-02 226,4E-12 226ps
RXD1 1648,24 41,865296 4,19E-02 221,5E-12 222ps
RXD2 1681 42,6974 4,27E-02 225,9E-12 226ps
RXD3 1677,12 42,598848 4,26E-02 225,4E-12 225ps
TX_EN 1625,87 41,297098 4,13E-02 218,5E-12 219ps
GTX_CLK 1629,75 41,39565 4,14E-02 219,0E-12 219ps
TXD0 1633,94 41,502076 4,15E-02 219,6E-12 220ps
TXD1 1657,65 42,10431 4,21E-02 222,8E-12 223ps
TXD2 1657,33 42,096182 4,21E-02 222,7E-12 223ps
TXD3 1655,12 42,040048 4,20E-02 222,4E-12 222ps

all wires are the same length, in every wire is an 22r resistor. the design is bought and not designed by us.

i found the following knowledge base entry:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/programmable/articles/000079123.html

=> TX_CLK to TXD/TX_CTL output data delay is specified as -0.85 to 0.15 ns

Datasheet 9031:
For the receive path (KSZ9031RNX to MAC), the KSZ9031RNX adds 1.2 ns typical delay to the RX_CLK output pin, with respect to RX_DV and RXD[3:0] output pins.

We use kernel v4 with u-boot and devicetree, after a lot of measuring and test,

i got the best result with this skew timing:

&gmac1 {
	status = "okay";
	phy-mode = "rgmii";
  /* 0 bis 900*/
	rxd0-skew-ps = <420>;
	rxd1-skew-ps = <420>;
	rxd2-skew-ps = <420>;
	rxd3-skew-ps = <420>;
	rxdv-skew-ps = <420>;

	txd0-skew-ps = <360>;
	txd1-skew-ps = <360>;
	txd2-skew-ps = <360>;
	txd3-skew-ps = <360>;
	txen-skew-ps = <360>;
/* 0 bis 1860*/
	rxc-skew-ps = <1680>;
	txc-skew-ps = <1740>;

	max-frame-size = <3800>;
};

But how could i calculate the skew timing?

Which timing should be the best, with mathematics

Thanks

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  • Nurina's avatar
    Nurina
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    2 years ago

    Hello,


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  • qwitza's avatar
    qwitza
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    2 years ago

    Hello,

    thanks a lot for the great answer and all the work!

    I ve test a lot of different skew parameter. I started with the calculated skew parameter.

    procedure:

    1. send an file pc => cyclone 5 processor
    2. count the ack errors with wireshark
    3. receive an file pc <= cyclone 5 processor
    4. count the ack errors with wireshark
    5. if number of tries < 10 goto 1
    6. else change the skew parameter goto 1)

    the file is 1gb big, and i ve get the best skew values with:

    rxdX 420
    txdX 360
    rxc 1680
    txc

    1740

    i think i can only verify the parameter with an oscilloscope, but at the moment i have not the necessary equipment for that.

    thanks again for the support and the endurance.

  • qwitza's avatar
    qwitza
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    2 years ago

    Hello,

    i have additional questions.

    we tested now more than 10 boards with our new device tree, and have the following result.

    File embedded system => PC:

    if we copy an file from our embedded system to the pc, we have no or less retransmission, < 5 retransmission per copy.

    all 10 boards have the same result

    File PC => embedded system:

    8 boards:

    if we copy an file from our embedded system to the pc, we have no or less retransmission, < 55 retransmission per copy.

    2 boards:

    have really a lot of > 400 ack retransmissions, and ack fast retransmissions.

    Result:

    the ack retransmission error is always from pc to our embedded system, which connection is bad.

    Where can we start troubleshooting?

    • Nurina's avatar
      Nurina
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      2 years ago

      Hi,

      This thread has already transitioned to community support.

      Please post a new thread for Intel support.

      Thanks,

      Regards,

      Nurina

  • qwitza's avatar
    qwitza
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    2 years ago

    Hello,

    the retransmission error results from an to low voltage supply for the ksz9031.

    DVDDL was 0,1mV to low.

    thanks for your support.