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I do not understand why you people (the ones that use/want the Altera simulator) do not just use QuartusII 9.0sp2 and be happy ?
I want to use systemVerilog, I want new language features, I want a better Qsys and stuff like that, so I need the latest and greatest version.
But you guys, you guys seam to only want madure features that are already available in 9.0sp2, so why don't you keep that ??
Anyone care to comment ?
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That's exactly what I'm doing. I develop and test my building blocks with QuartusII 9.1sp2 using the internal simulator. But for a new HW we will use Cyclone IV, so QII 10.1 will be necessary to close the timing. But I never simulate a top-level project anyway, I can debug that easily by writing test-SW and take a good look at what happens or as a last resort use signaltap.
Just like you I'd like to use the new features in VHDL 2008, in my case, but that doesn't mean we have to give up a good thing as the user interface of the internal simulator. We had that discussion in another thread already. It would have been great if the user interface had stayed, whatever program is running the simulation we don't care about, but we're all hooked on the simplicity to test 'small' building blocks we then later use in 'big(ger)' designs. The waveform editing in ModelSim version coming with QuartusII 10.1 may be a possibility, it looks that is all we're going to get, but we have to learn how it works. Ppitou gives us good hopes though.
The new work-flow is geared towards the 'big' organisations with large teams, and very possibly Altera is targeting to lure Xilinx customers over. This imposed design flow also makes it easier for us to look at other devices (from competitors). So I agree with nplttr, we will loose some time adjusting to the new tools, but eventually we will use them.
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