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TN-Notebooks
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3 years ago

Max V 5M80ZE64C5N examine / Verify Failure

Hardware

Synology Board with 5M80ZE64C5N

PL-USB Blaster RCN Rev C

Software

Win 10

Programmer Standalone Quartus Prime 17.1.1-593

( all Versions above have a Bug with File save after eamine )

Device selected 5M80ZE64

selectable Boxes ( dark grey ) : Blank check - examine - erase

not selectable Boxes ( light grey ) : Programm - verify - security Bit - ISP Clamp

( exactly same on Brand new chip )

Examine successful 100%

File saved

USM and CFM appear

Verify USM pass

Verify CFM Fail

Message :

209048 verfy failure on devive number 1

209012 Operation failed

what am i doing wrong ?

Programmable Logic Device

38 Replies

  • WZ2's avatar
    WZ2
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    3 years ago

    Hi there,

    In order to solve your problem, I need to clarify a few points:

    1. What is the probability that this problem occurs?

    2. Is the board started normally? (whether the logic code is started)

    Best regards,

    WZ


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    TN-Notebooks
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    3 years ago

    "1. What is the probability that this problem occurs?"

    at 100 % at every try

    "2. Is the board started normally? (whether the logic code is started)"

    Its confirmed on several normal working Boards

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    WZ2
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    3 years ago

    It maybe a known bug in Intel® Quartus® Prime Standard Edition software version 20.1 and earlier, however this bug will not caused 100% failed. Anyway, I still suggest to upgrade your quartus and verify again.

    Best regards,

    WZ


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    TN-Notebooks
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    3 years ago

    Hallo,

    i had the actual Version 22 but i had to Downgrade to 17.1 because from 18.1 and up there is a other known bug ( examined Files not possible to save )

    see

    https://community.intel.com/t5/Intel-Quartus-Prime-Software/saving-the-examined-data-of-Max-V-failed-in-the-Intel-Quartus/m-p/1513583/emcs_t/S2h8ZW1haWx8dG9waWNfc3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ufExMOEM0NFYxWjA0OFpTfDE1MTM1ODN8U1VCU0NSSVBUSU9OU3xoSw#M79668

    and

    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/programmable/articles/000094118.html

  • WZ2's avatar
    WZ2
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    3 years ago

    Sorry for the late reply due to the holiday. This problem is indeed more troublesome. Do you want to verify the consistency of the content in the flash and the content in the cram when you do verify? What is the reason for doing the examine?

    Knowing your purpose, I might be able to give better advice~

    Best regards,

    WZ


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      TN-Notebooks
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      3 years ago

      The Reason for Examine is that i need Clones of the Max V 5M80ZE64C5N

      I repair specific Mainboards on Chiplevel and sometimes the Max V is blown for example due to a Short circuit on Board

      The Manufacturer of the Boards do not support the original Files so that i can not program on a normal way the new Max V

      I need to readout at a donor unit the Flash - the Protection Bit is not set.

      I do not need to change anything and do not want to programm anything - i just need clones.

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    3 years ago

    Hi there,

    I see the reason. You don’t wanna use ASMI ip or anything, the examine is the simplest way to do such thing. I try DK-DEV-5M570ZN and quartus 20.4 and there is no error. Could u try to do the examine?

    Best regards,

    WZ


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      TN-Notebooks
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      3 years ago

      Hallo

      Same Failure / Behavior with 20.4 see Screenshoot

      Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Fri Sep 1 13:26:23 2023
      Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A50DD
      Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-1
      Info(209038): Examining devices
      Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
      Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Fri Sep 1 13:26:24 2023
      Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Fri Sep 1 13:27:24 2023
      Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A50DD
      Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-1
      Info(209021): Performing verification on device(s)
      Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
      Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Fri Sep 1 13:27:25 2023
      Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Fri Sep 1 13:27:29 2023
      Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A50DD
      Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-1
      Info(209021): Performing verification on device(s)
      Error(209048): Verify failure on device number 1
      Error(209012): Operation failed
      Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Fri Sep 1 13:27:30 2023

  • WZ2's avatar
    WZ2
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    3 years ago

    Hi there,

    I see that you run the EXAMINE successfully, but the verify fails. Is the file generated after you run examine consistent with the original file? If they are consistent, please try to verify again after the examine. At the same time, please remember to check the “Enable realtime ISP to allow….” option.

    Best regards,

    WZ


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      TN-Notebooks
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      3 years ago

      I do not have the Original File - thats the Reason why i use Examine

      see my Post

      @TN-Notebooks wrote:

      The Reason for Examine is that i need Clones of the Max V 5M80ZE64C5N

      I repair specific Mainboards on Chiplevel and sometimes the Max V is blown for example due to a Short circuit on Board

      The Manufacturer of the Boards do not support the original Files so that i can not program on a normal way the new Max V

      I need to readout at a donor unit the Flash - the Protection Bit is not set.

      I do not need to change anything and do not want to programm anything - i just need clones.

      Same behavior with “Enable realtime ISP to allow….” option.

      If i programm the Examined Files to a new chip - the Unit do not work. The Files are corrupted.

      Verify tells the Truth with the Message "Failed"

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    WZ2
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    3 years ago

    Hi there,

    Sorry, I missed the previous information. Usually, the file from the exam is the file in the cfm, which I have verified on our demo board. I don't understand why the file you examined is wrong. I'm not sure if the manufacturer has done some special operations. Could you please send me the file you examined? I'll try to check it.

    Best regards,

    WZ


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    3 years ago

    Hi there,

    I spent some time analyzing your sof. It was found that the part of cfm was corrupted. The reason for this phenomenon may be that some of the flash of the device is damaged, so that all reads are zero (this is usually impossible). Or whether the manufacturer has added some protection methods to the ICB. My final suggestion is to keep nconfig low after powering on, and then do the examination. If the examination still cannot be verified in this way, then you can consider whether it is a hardware failure.

    Best regards,

    WZ


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    TN-Notebooks
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    3 years ago

    Thanks for the answer

    what do you mean by nconfig low ?

    I have a heavy workload at the moment and can only look into this phenomenon further later on


    I exclude a hardware defect because it is reproducible on several working boards.
    One idea would be to put a new empty chip on such a board and program a file.
    To check the function of examine on a new chip without any Protections or hidden issues and see what happens after Examine and verify.
    Do you have a suitable test file with CFM and UFM for testing that you can send to me ?