The documentation for the stratix v advanced systems development kit (https://www.altera.com/products/boards_and_kits/dev-kits/altera/kit-stratix-v-advanced.html) seems to be incorrect in regards to the default settings for SW4. What is the correct default settings for that switch? Here is what the documentation illustrates: https://alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13748&stc=1 I want to set up this board so that it loads the designs stored in flash. According to the documentation, it states that SW4.6 needs to be in the ON position, but switch 6 is for Clock Selection... Thanks, QG

--- Quote Start --- It's different from ordinary secondhand sale and it's the only reasonable explanation about how the seller can get them and sell them at such price, given the customer H is still around. --- Quote End --- It is not different to the current owners ! Complain about the resale to the resellers. Not to the current owners. Just support them. They may be your current or future customers.

--- Quote Start --- It is not different to the current owners ! Complain about the resale to the resellers. Not to the current owners. Just support them. They may be your current or future customers. --- Quote End --- Hi there, We are not in a position to complain anything to anyone here. We could have pushed all the inquires back because we are not responsible for no one according to the deal we made, but we've decided to at least take a look at the pin assignments. I truly hope those who bought this customized board from that ebay seller and yet still decided to keep it after they saw the facts here will be our future customers, but I personally wouldn't be that optimistic, not when the price gap is tremendous. Dav from Terasic

--- Quote Start --- If you buy something which is not what you'd expect, you should return it and get your refund back, but then I saw the price listed from your link, I can totally understand why people still take the risk. --- Quote End --- I'm located overseas in Europe and payed by Paypal. Sending the item back is really expensive and getting refund for it will be quite difficult, because in my experience both Ebay and Paypal very often favour US sellers. But if it will be clear the board is really useless fro me, I will go this way. --- Quote Start --- For your information, the pictures are Stratix V GX FPGA Development Kit, Stratix V GX SI Development Kit, and SDI HSMC Daughter Card. Based on how you recognize the package, the contents can be any of these or even something else with a sealing sticker that anyone can print at home. --- Quote End --- The item description states "Stratix V GX FPGA Development Kit" and there is a matching picture, so it looked quite clear to me. My fault. --- Quote Start --- For the pin assignments that you care the most, I need to check if the pin assignments for both official and custom boards are identical first. If they are, you can use the official version as it's available from the website. If not, I'll take it back internally and let someone to review the deal to see if this will put us in a position that we disclose something which we shouldn't have. Please understand that our situation is difficult and we've never thought of how things will end up like this in the first place. --- Quote End --- I understand your position and therefore any information will be very appreciated. --- Quote Start --- I haven't seen anything like this before in my entire professional career over a decade (well maybe not long enough for most of you). The only possibility I can think of is a company is close to an end and they'd sell anything just to get as much as they can. --- Quote End --- I'm quite a newbie on FPGA, but at my work we buy a lot of hardware. When we buy servers from IBM or Fujitsu discounts of 25-35% of the MSRP on new items are standard. New 5 year old stock we often get with 80% or more discount. So this also looked valid to me. --- Quote Start --- I'd return the kit and post a negative feedback if I were you. --- Quote End --- Posting a negative feedback will most probably not stick, because the seller will dispute it and Ebay will delete it. --- Quote Start --- I truly hope those who bought this customized board from that ebay seller and yet still decided to keep it after they saw the facts here will be our future customers, but I personally wouldn't be that optimistic, not when the price gap is tremendous. --- Quote End --- Sad thing is Altera is not in the value chain of this board. I believe most people who bought this board need a Quartus license, so there could be a deal like board support package against license. I would buy it.

As the original poster for this thread, I would just like to say that I appreciate Dav's efforts. It is definitely an issue for all of us who bought this board, but it really isn't Terasic's nor Altera's problem. We bought something on Ebay and hence it really is caveat emptor. Hopefully, with some good faith and gesture, Dav and Terasic comes through with some documentation to help us poor saps. The board is not a waste and hence can be utilized, but documentation is needed. BTW, the software from Intel was written in JAVA, and hence a bit of reverse engineering can produce the source code :) QG

--- Quote Start --- As the original poster for this thread, I would just like to say that I appreciate Dav's efforts. It is definitely an issue for all of us who bought this board, but it really isn't Terasic's nor Altera's problem. We bought something on Ebay and hence it really is caveat emptor. Hopefully, with some good faith and gesture, Dav and Terasic comes through with some documentation to help us poor saps. The board is not a waste and hence can be utilized, but documentation is needed. BTW, the software from Intel was written in JAVA, and hence a bit of reverse engineering can produce the source code :) QG --- Quote End --- I have ended up with two of these dual FPGA “Advanced Systems Development Kit” boards as well, paying quite a bit ($4800 each) and unfortunately not realizing these are not the device I thought they were. My serial number on one is 5SGXAS00000236 and P/N 0277 0K. i noticed the problem when I saw the QDR and MoSys missing, but I had been traveling so have no window to return. Can we at least have the pin assignments so we can use these boards? :( this is stomach unsettling.

Stratix V Advanced Systems Development Kit SW4 Default Settings

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Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
9 years ago
Is this what you have ?
Revision D. No MoSys 72Mb chips No QDRII+ memory chips populated ?
With fattest 5SGXEABN2F45N2 chips instead ?

https://alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13843&stc=1
multiple-attachments.zip1.4 MB
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
9 years ago
Yep. Seems like the same board...Didn't realize that the MoSys and QDRII chips were missing :(. I'll have to go back and inspect the board more carefully as I didn't remove the fan assembly like you did...
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
9 years ago
Just checked the board and it is exactly the same as yours. No MoSys nor QDRII chips, but with the faster and more LE-based FPGA. Do you have any software for the board, other than Quartus? The kit software doesn't seem to work for this board.
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
9 years ago
I am little confused as well, the files on Altera/Intel website contains files for revision C, not D, as it marked on the PCB file, however PLX PCIe switch is on the top side and attached to the heatsink through thermoconductive resin, not like shown on the Altera's photo on the kit's Web page. Rev D actual PCB looks quite similar, I thing almost the same, but need to verify carefully. It has test blind-via pads on the bottom sides for most FPGA's ball pins. There is nothing complicated in this board, just be sure that all memory signals, XCVRs, power, and reset are connected the same way and match with errata chip. Otherwise need modify design files to actual wiring and/or apply errata workarounds if possible.

https://alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13851&stc=1

MoSys chip MSR576 (BE1, first generation) for this board is not available anymore. MSR720, MSR820 are current BE2 (Bandwith engine 2) are available on an expansion board for Xilinx Virtex 7 Ultrascale kits. And it's really quite expensive thing ! Altera's design files for Stratix V Adv. Sys. Dev. Kit doesn't have IP for MoSys as well. I found than no any specific designs examples for this kit are available in Altera design store as well.

Could easily solder all QDRII+ chips but it's look not actual in case of fat 5SGXEABN chip with enough internal memory cells.

Looks like this board is customized for a specific corp. customer.
I bought from liquidator warehouse for a really nothing price for such board especially when actually populated GXEABN is about twice expensive than GXEA7 one.

Need to get answer from Altera to clear background behind rev. D board. I don't have any specific files for it as well.
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
9 years ago
--- Quote Start ---
Seems that my board is a bit different than what is on the Altera website. It doesn't seem to contain a 5SGXEA7N, but a totally different part and hence the BTS doesn't seem to run. It this correct?

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Confirmed. Same on mine. PowerMonitor and ClockControl appear to work, though.
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
9 years ago
--- Quote Start ---
Is this what you have ?
Revision D. No MoSys 72Mb chips No QDRII+ memory chips populated ?
With fattest 5SGXEABN2F45N2 chips instead ?

--- Quote End ---

Seems I have this too. Thanks for finding out the exact FPGA type. I stopped short of removing the heatsink from my board to find out (even without screws, it seems to stick pretty tight).
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
9 years ago
--- Quote Start ---
Need to get answer from Altera to clear background behind rev. D board. I don't have any specific files for it as well.
--- Quote End ---

Really interested as well. If the schematic is different than for the retail board, a world of hurt may be waiting ahead.
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
9 years ago
--- Quote Start ---
I am little confused as well, the files on Altera/Intel website contains files for revision C, not D, as it marked on the PCB file, however PLX PCIe switch is on the top side and attached to the heatsink through thermoconductive resin, not like shown on the Altera's photo on the kit's Web page.
--- Quote End ---

Seems the retail photos are of an earlier revision than C. I've done a cursory comparison of my/our board and the retail photos, and aside from the U47 position, I only discovered a capacitor around the DC jack in a different position as well. But it all matches the revision C documentation.

All in all, I'd say it's pretty likely that the schematic has not changed in any significant way, from revision C to D.
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
8 years ago
Guys,
Did you get any answer from Altera for the past few month?
Apparently I also purchased this revision from an eBay seller and struggling to make this board at least pass the test.
Thank you!
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
8 years ago
Hi all,

did anyone get this board working?

I believe I bought the same board from the same ebay seller.

I contacted Altera about this board and their answer was:

> HI Markus,
>
> Kindly check with Terasic. According to Terasic, this kit is not ship out from Altera.
>
> Regards,
>
> Winnie

Does this make any sense.
The links on the Terasic site are pointing to the Altera website.

I am getting confused ...

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