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14 years ago

SystemConsole and Tcl GPIB extension

Hi,

Anyone tried to add Tcl extensions to SystemConsole? Is it possible?

I'm controlling a Stratix IV GX Development kit using SystemConsole and also need to control a synthesizer via GPIB.

I'm controlling the kit using SystemConsole, since the JTAG-to-Avalon-MM API is not available under quartus_stp.

I can get the GPIB Tcl extension working under quartus_stp by installing the library into Quartus's Tcl library folder.

Since SystemConsole does not see the library that quartus_stp sees, it looks like it must have its own different set of paths to determine what constitutes its Tcl interface. I've found several other short-comings with SystemConsole's support for Tcl, eg., fileevent does not work, so you cannot write a proper server application, TCLLIBPATH is ignored, so 'package require myPackage' does not work (this works fine under quartus_stp, the Quartus Tcl console, Modelsim, etc).

I have written Tcl scripts that get the JTAG-to-Avalon-MM bridge interface working under regular quartus_stp, so I think I'll just migrate away from SystemConsole. But, I figured I'd at least see if anyone else has had any luck (or would like to complain in general about SystemConsole).

Cheers,

Dave

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  • Altera_Forum's avatar
    Altera_Forum
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    14 years ago

    Dave,

    AFAIK, System Console, though TCL-like in nature, is actually based upon JACL (TCL on Java).

    Though there may be more current information elsewhere, I'm familiar with the System Console Wiki page (http://www.alterawiki.com/wiki/system_console).

    So...semi-long story short, there are ways to add TCL libraries/capabilities to JACL, but I'm unsure if what you're looking to do would work or not.

    Best of luck!

    slacker
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    Altera_Forum
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    14 years ago

    Hi Slacker,

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    AFAIK, System Console, though TCL-like in nature, is actually based upon JACL (TCL on Java).

    --- Quote End ---

    Thanks for the info.

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    So...semi-long story short, there are ways to add TCL libraries/capabilities to JACL, but I'm unsure if what you're looking to do would work or not.

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    I think I'll just start an anti-SystemConsole wiki page instead :)

    Cheers,

    Dave
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    14 years ago

    SystemConsole 11.0 was based on JACL, in 11.1 it uses the standard C++ TCL interpreter so more things should work.

    If they do not then please file detailled bug reports, or make detailled posts here about what went wrong.
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    14 years ago

    Hi Wombat,

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    SystemConsole 11.0 was based on JACL, in 11.1 it uses the standard C++ TCL interpreter so more things should work.

    If they do not then please file detailled bug reports, or make detailled posts here about what went wrong.

    --- Quote End ---

    Thanks for the info!

    I'll check 11.1, but here's my list of gripes;

    1) fileevent does not work, so you cannot write a Tcl server (that will handle multiple clients)

    2) info nameofexecutable returns an empty string (quartus_stp and others return the executable name). arvg0 however returns "system-console", so you can use that for tool detection.

    3) package require and TCLLIBPATH do not work

    4) Tk does not work

    5) The Tcl procedures supplied by Altera are not consistent across tools, eg., there are no JTAG-to-Avalon-MM Tcl commands for the command-line tools like quartus_stp, which do not suffer from the above list of gripes.

    Cheers,

    Dave
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    14 years ago

    An update on the gripes with respect to Quartus 11.1sp1 (tested under Windows XP):

    1) fileevent now works, so you can handle multiple clients from a SystemConsole Tcl server.

    2) info nameofexecutable still returns an empty string (but argv0 can be used instead)

    3) package require and TCLLIBPATH now work.

    For the Tcl GPIB library, I did not need to use TCLLIBPATH, I just copied the package directory to $QUARTUS_ROOTDIR/sopc_builder/system_console/lib/gpib.

    I tried this under 10.1 and although package require would work after copying it to the Quartus subdirectory (since TCLLIBPATH did not work), any attempts to use the GPIB procedures would fail. I suspect the SystemConsole shell does not have all the OS paths set correctly. This is corrected in 11.1sp1.

    Definitely an improvement! Thanks Altera!

    Cheers,

    Dave