Quartus 13.1

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Using the "select by device" option only gives me the option for 13.0 (the last version to support cyclone 2).

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Where does it say this? Are you saying that when you're in the New Project dialogue in Quartus, it will recommend a version (13.0) for a specific device?

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And Xilinx pull the same things with ISE (and especially with Vivado). Altera are nothing special.

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Sucks that we have to live with that. :(

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It's written in page 9 of http://www.altera.com/literature/rn/rn_qts_dev_support.pdf that Cyclone II devices are no longer supported in 13.1

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I'll remember to read every document that isn't liked to on the Cyclone II website before downloading next time. :p

Either that, or Altera could state it explicitly on the Cyclone II website and change the link to point to the software that is compatible.

Either way.

Hi,

the easiest way is to use the "select by device" option on the download page - choosing the device gives you the versions available that supports this chip :-)

BTW:

Besides the discussion regarding removed device support in the latest Version for the free WebEdition... Up to now the Subscription Edition was worth (or required) to be bought for either device support (large devices) or additional features (like logiclock).

Let's assume, I have an electronics in production with a Cyclone II and my business requires longer than some few years customer support. I decided to go with ALTERA as the FPGA are (and I hope this remains unchanged) long time available (you can still buy the IC). Maybe due to some additional requirements regarding validation of design, etc. I decide to switch to subscription edition, as I want to use logiclock on this Hardware. How will this license be sold, as I have to buy a "old" subscription edition. Will this QII 13.0 subscription be sold at same cost like the latest one (as it is my "fault" not providing the matching hardware)?

I would prefer to have some kind of "support packages" for older devices which are not included in the "standard" download, but which are provided as separate downloads. This will guide new users to go with latest devices, but this would also provide support for existing users to continue using their hardware. I do not know if the software structure of QII supports such a scenario...

This would also provide existing users the option to benefit in the new version's optimized features ALTERA makes marketing with..

Well - if the "X"-company is reducing device support with newer version, wouldn't it be a "measureable advantage" if ALTERA would not do the same :-D

Just my two cents :-)

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I'll remember to read every document that isn't liked to on the Cyclone II website before downloading next time. :p

Either that, or Altera could state it explicitly on the Cyclone II website and change the link to point to the software that is compatible.

Either way.

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Unless they changed it in the last couple of days, it indicates that the Cyclone II is not support right on the download page:

http://oi39.tinypic.com/k0prhl.jpg

To be fair, had I not read this forum post I most likely still would have downloaded 13.1 to use with CII w/o noticing the lack of support.

Maybe it should be bright red indicating a change that certain devices are no longer supported rather than which are supported. :)

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A Full quartus licence allows you to run any version of quartus (and Max+Plus2 for REALLY old projects). And you can have multiple versions installed on any machine.

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Ok, but that's somewhat like buying a new car with a lot of new features and chose (or having to chose) to drive with the one or more generation's older one with less features... ;)

But its way more complicated than that - for the same device and source code different versions of the tools (and the same version on linux and windows) will give different compile results.

The IP libraries also differ, with interfaces changing between versions.