Hi, everyone! I'd like to ask those who deals with FFT MegaCore Function. My problem: I can't get generated FFT MegaCore Function simulation finished in Modelsim. I create a project in ModelSim, then append files fft_bb.v, fft.vo, fft.v, fft_tb.v (that have been generated by wizard) into it. Compilation process is OK, so I start simulation, append all signals from fft_tb instanse to Wave window. Then I make 'Run -all' command and wait for result. However, in spite of there is a $finish task in the testbench, simulation never stops. If I make forced stop of simulation, I see signals source_valid, source_real, source_imag being in a HiZ state all the way. This repeats regardless type of FFT (streaming, variable straming, so on) or number of points (64, 128, ... 4096,... etc). Of cource, there are no output text files with FFT results. CAD Quartus II 64-bit Web Edition 13.0 ModelSim ALTERA STARTER EDITION 10.1d FPGA Altera Cyclone IV E (EP4CE40F23) So, can anyone help how to test FFT function? Thanks

Hello, First, you should check all the inputs of the FFT in ModelSim, and be sure that no one is undefined. Second, you should check the output signal called source_error (the meaning is available in the user guide), it can give you the reason of your problem. Best regards, Jérôme

Hi, Jérôme! Thanks for reply. As I see in fft_tb.v file and in the Wave window of ModelSim all inputs of FFT function instanse are connected and have definite values (St0, St1), while all the outputs (including source_error) signals are in HiZ state whenever I stop simulation. Anyway, I rely on this generated testbench file, which seems to be quite consistent. By the way, megafunction wizard generates MATLAB model, and it works fine. Did you ever try simulate this megafunction in ModelSim yourself? May be there is bug in FFT v13.0?

Hi, Yes I already simulated the FFT function under ModelSim, it worked well with the version 13.0. If I remember well, you only need the fft.vo file in ModelSim, not the fft.v (I don't know what is your fft_bb.v). Then, one thing that is often forgotten, is that you need to have the 6 cos/sin.hex files generated by the MegaWizard in the same folder as your fft.vo file. Once you are sure of these two points, if you still have trouble, I think that ModelSim should give you some warnings. Could you indicate what are they ? Could you also put a screenshot of the wave in ModelSim ?

Hi again, Jérôme! If I follow your point and place in ModelSim project just one fft.vo file, simulation couldn't be started - ModelSim outputs '# error loading design' message. And it is clear - because fft.vo is just an 'IP Functional Simulation Model'. To test module we obviously need: 1. IP Functional Simulation Model - fft.vo file; 2. Module interface declaration - fft.v file; 3. Testbench - fft_tb.v file; 4. BlackBox - fft_bb.v file (I don't know anything about it) And to start simulation I need all of these 4 files, otherwise I get '# error loading design'. So, that's what I have: 1. My project window https://www.alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7509 2. Simulation window (stopped after waiting long time) https://www.alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7510 Have any idea about it?

Hi again, For me, I always used only the .vho file (VHDL equivalent of .vo) for the simulation and it worked. And this is what is indicated p 15 of the FFT user guide : --- Quote Start --- To simulate your design, use the IP functional simulation models generated by IP Toolbench. The IP functional simulation model is the .vo or .vho file generated as specified in “Set Up Simulation” on page 2–10. Compile the .vo or .vho file in your simulation environment to perform functional simulation of your custom variation of the MegaCore function. For more information about IP functional simulation models, refer to the Simulating Altera Designs chapter in volume 3 of the Quartus II Handbook. --- Quote End --- And in the corresponding chapter of the Quartus II Handbook, it is indicated : --- Quote Start --- When you simulate your design, only compile the .vo or .vho for these IP cores in your simulator, rather than the corresponding HDL file, which may be encrypted to support only synthesis by the Quartus II software. --- Quote End --- So, I find strange that you need the fft.v file. Moreover, looking at Table 2-1 p 2-11 and 2-12 of the FFT user guide, which indicates the files generated by the MegaWizard, there is no <variation name>_bb.v file. So I don't understand where you get this fft_bb.v file.

FFT MegaCore Function simulation in Modelsim never finished

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Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
13 years ago
Yes, you can ask Altera directly.
You can post the solution once you have it, in case some people have the same problem in the future.
Good luck.
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
13 years ago
Hi, everyone!

I contacted Altera about this problem and got quick reply.
To successfully compile and simulate Verilog version of FFT megafunction in ModelSim:

1. Create project in ModelSim, append fft.vo and fft_tb.v files into it;
2. Execute following lines in transcript window (or put these to .do file):

vlib work
vmap work work

vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work fft.vo
vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work fft_tb.v

vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work c:/altera/13.0/quartus/eda/sim_lib/altera_lnsim.sv
vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work c:/altera/13.0/quartus/eda/sim_lib/220model.v
vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work c:/altera/13.0/quartus/eda/sim_lib/altera_mf.v
vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work c:/altera/13.0/quartus/eda/sim_lib/sgate.v

vsim fft_tb
add wave sim:/fft_tb/*

Of course, you may need to change file pathes.

Good luck!
Altera_Forum
Honored Contributor
10 years ago
I tried what vadimula suggested. See imgur.com/XEF7nkT.
https://www.alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11316
How do I verify whether the result was correct or not?

--- Quote Start ---
Hi, everyone!

I contacted Altera about this problem and got quick reply.
To successfully compile and simulate Verilog version of FFT megafunction in ModelSim:

1. Create project in ModelSim, append fft.vo and fft_tb.v files into it;
2. Execute following lines in transcript window (or put these to .do file):

vlib work
vmap work work

vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work fft.vo
vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work fft_tb.v

vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work C:/Altera/13.0/quartus/eda/sim_lib/altera_lnsim.sv
vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work C:/Altera/13.0/quartus/eda/sim_lib/220model.v
vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work C:/Altera/13.0/quartus/eda/sim_lib/altera_mf.v
vlog -reportprogress 300 -work work C:/Altera/13.0/quartus/eda/sim_lib/sgate.v

vsim fft_tb
add wave sim:/fft_tb/*

Of course, you may need to change file pathes.

Good luck!
--- Quote End ---

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