Hallothe Issue is still unsolved but in the Thread i get no answer a log time ......https://community.intel.com/t5/Programmable-Devices/Max-V-5M80ZE64C5N-examine-Verify-Failure/m-p/1543982/emcs_t/S2h8ZW1haWx8dG9waWNfc3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ufExPWjNWMVM2Q1BENUtEfDE1NDM5ODJ8U1VCU0NSSVBUSU9OU3xoSw#M93492Synology Board with 5M80ZE64C5N PL-USB Blaster RCN Rev CSoftware Win 10 Device selected 5M80ZE64selectable Boxes ( dark grey ) : Blank check - examine - erasenot selectable Boxes ( light grey ) : Programm - verify - security Bit - ISP Clamp( exactly same on Brand new chip )Examine successful 100%File saved USM and CFM appearVerify USM passVerify CFM FailMessage : 209048 verfy failure on devive number 1209012 Operation failed--------------------to check the behavior i bought a brand new DK-DEV-5M570ZN Development Kitconnection all fine.Erase performed successBlank Check successnow examine the erased blank Chip - save the File and now verify of the examined erased/blank chip........ Failed So this is not a Hardware or Security Bit Problem -- seem to be a Bug in Quartus

Hi TN-Notebooks,Based on the previous thread you mentioned, I believe you only wanted to examine the board for the cloning purpose, correct?If you have no issue with examine, may I now the reason you would like to verify it?Regards,Fakhrul

Hallo"Based on the previous thread you mentioned, I believe you only wanted to examine the board for the cloning purpose, correct?"--> Yes this is correct"If you have no issue with examine, may I now the reason you would like to verify it?"--> This is wrong.The examined Files are not working - they are empty. Examine is not working.If i install on a Clone the examined File its not working.So finally verify confirms correctly that the examine File do not agree with the Source Chip.Seem that Examine is Faulty by Quartus Software This Faulty Examine behavior is confirmed with my Boards and a original Development Board.

Hi TN-Notebooks,I'm still checking on the root cause of this. Meanwhile, can you try to use the latest version of Quartus lite? let's see the result;Intel® Quartus® Prime Lite Edition Design Software Version 23.1 Regards,Fakhrul

Halloi installed the latest Quartus lite 23.1same Behavior - same FaultUFM examine and Verify okCFM examine and Verify failFile attached

Max V 5M80ZE64C5N examine / Verify Failure still unsolved

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FakhrulA_altera
Regular Contributor
2 years ago
Hi TN-Notebooks,

Based on the previous thread you mentioned, I believe you only wanted to examine the board for the cloning purpose, correct?
If you have no issue with examine, may I now the reason you would like to verify it?

Regards,
Fakhrul
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  2 years ago
  Hallo
  "Based on the previous thread you mentioned, I believe you only wanted to examine the board for the cloning purpose, correct?"
  --> Yes this is correct
  "If you have no issue with examine, may I now the reason you would like to verify it?"
  --> This is wrong.
  The examined Files are not working - they are empty. Examine is not working.
  If i install on a Clone the examined File its not working.
  So finally verify confirms correctly that the examine File do not agree with the Source Chip.
  Seem that Examine is Faulty by Quartus Software
  This Faulty Examine behavior is confirmed with my Boards and a original Development Board.
FakhrulA_altera
Regular Contributor
2 years ago
Hi TN-Notebooks,

I'm still checking on the root cause of this. Meanwhile, can you try to use the latest version of Quartus lite? let's see the result;
Intel® Quartus® Prime Lite Edition Design Software Version 23.1

Regards,
Fakhrul
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  2 years ago
  Hallo
  i installed the latest Quartus lite 23.1
  same Behavior - same Fault
  UFM examine and Verify ok
  CFM examine and Verify fail
  File attached
  DS416j Test 01.rar0 KB
  - TN-Notebooks
    Occasional Contributor
    2 years ago
    Any News on this Case ?
FakhrulA_altera
Regular Contributor
2 years ago
Hi TN-Notebooks,

I am currently searching internally for the required details to address this matter. My apologies for the delay. I will provide you with an update as soon as we acquire the necessary information.

Regards,
Fakhrul
FakhrulA_altera
Regular Contributor
2 years ago
Hi TN-Notebooks,

Sorry for the delay. Upon checking, it appears that this issue has been resolved starting from Quartus 23.1 standard version?
Could you try with 23.1 standard version this time?

Regards,
Fakhrul
TN-Notebooks
Occasional Contributor
2 years ago
I have no lizenz for the 23.1 standard version
But
The stand alone Programmer of the Standard Version i already tried and the Failure is NOT solved .
FakhrulA_altera
Regular Contributor
2 years ago
Hi TN-Notebooks,

Could you try the following step:

1. Uninstall the current usb blaster driver, then try to update the driver to the higher version, such as usb blaster driver for 17.1 or later version.

2. If it is impossible to update the usb blaster driver ,we recommend you to modify the JTAG circuit on your board, and adjust the pull-up resistor of TCK TMS to modify jtag timing.

Regards,
Fakhrul

*Please be informed that we will be out of office from 8/April to 12/April due to a public holiday here. Kindly expect some delay in response if you are going to post an update.
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  2 years ago
  Hallo,
  i never had or used a version older than 17.1
  so fur sure its a usb blaster driver for 17.1 or later version .
  Prior last Test i deinstalled ALL Software and installed everything from the latest Quartus lite 23.1
  Thomas
  - FakhrulA_altera
    Regular Contributor
    2 years ago
    Hi TN-Notebooks,
    Upon checking, I found out that the lates supported Quartus software for MAX V is 21.1 both for the standard and lite versions. You may check it here: Intel® Quartus® Software Latest Version for Device Support
    Please try with the latest supported Quartus version (21.1) and let me know the outcome.
    Thanks,
    Fakhrul
TN-Notebooks
Occasional Contributor
2 years ago
Hallo,
the Versions 18.x up to Version 22.x (21.1 included ) is not useable because it have a other Bug
If you Examine you can not save the File and the Software closes by itself .
see
https://community.intel.com/t5/Intel-Quartus-Prime-Software/saving-the-examined-data-of-Max-V-failed-in-the-Intel-Quartus/m-p/1528737#M80146
This Bug is solved in the Version 23
But the Standalone Programmer should support the MAX V also in Version 23.x ??
Farabi
Regular Contributor
2 years ago
Hello,

We have discussed with engineering on this, and several tests has been performed on MAXV devkit to examine the contents.
We don't observed any error and able to download the image from the device successfully.

Is it something related to your design specifically? Moving forward, we need help from you to provide below items:
Can you share the design so we can replicate the issue on our setup?
How many devices you observed failing to examine? eg. 2 out of 10

regards,
Farabi
- TN-Notebooks
  Occasional Contributor
  2 years ago
  Hallo
  to check the behavior i bought a brand new DK-DEV-5M570ZN Development Kit
  connection all fine.
  Erase performed success
  Blank Check success
  now examine the erased blank Chip - save the File and now verify of the examined erased/blank chip
  ........ ok for UFM but Failed for CFM
  
  i tried also on several different Synology NAS Systems.
  
  affected 10 of 10 ---- ALL
  
  as Programmer i use PL-USB-BLTR-RCN on Cable 2006 Altera P06-18025R-00 RoHS
FakhrulA_altera
Regular Contributor
2 years ago
Hi TN-Notebooks,

We are checking with the internal team and will update to you within this week.

Regards,
Fakhrul
Farabi
Regular Contributor
2 years ago
Hello,

This need to be escalated to engineering to make sure they provide the fix.

regards,
Farabi

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